Tuesday, January 18, 2011

F451 Fishbowl #4: Pages 63-80

Welcome to your fourth fishbowl!

Much like last week, I'd like you to pick up the pace and challenge yourself a bit on the outer circle. What kind of challenges should we take on, you ask?

Try these:
Challenge #1: Bring a quotation from the reading into at least one of your posts.
Challenge #2: Get into a hotseat, if only for a brief moment.
Challenge #3: Keep offering as many brilliant comments as you can; as a class, we should be averaging around 80-100 comments per discussion (right now, you're doing great!).

78 comments:

  1. Could the bombers on page 73 have symbolized more then just protection.

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  2. On page 78 and 79 when Montag is talking about "Denham's Dentfrice" what is going on?

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  3. Bradbury keeps bringing snakes into this book. For example, he says, "It's at Emergency Hospital where they filed a report on all the junk the snake for out of you!" DO you think snakes will start to have a bigger role as the story goes on?

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  4. What does the role of fear play in Fahrenheit 451?

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  5. Did Montag actually have the Bible out while he was on the subway?

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  6. Will Mildred and Montag's relationship strengthen more by knowing there are books in the house, or are they going to grow even farther apart?

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  7. Why do you think Bradbury refers to "the bombers" so often? What do they represent?

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  8. On pages 79-80, what do you think the lilies symbolize and why do you think they are mentioned so much?

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  9. Flynne:

    I think the bombers could have symbolized war or conflict.

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  10. Peyton- I think they will become even closer because if they both like reading then it will bring them closer together.

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  11. Peyton-
    I think that Mildred and Montag will become closer because of the books because there isn't really a way for them to become farther apart.

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  12. why does mildred refuse to talk about someone that is dead?

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  13. Jessica K
    I think that the bombers just make me him frustrated because his country doesn't even acknowledge they are in this conflict and the bombers are just a reminder of how numb society has become.

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  14. Jessica-
    I think Bradbury refers to the bombers so often because he is trying to get a point across. I think his point is that there is some sort of protection barrier between the people and the bombers.

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  15. Peyton:

    I think that Montag and Mildred will grow apart because they never really were that close, so i dont think that will really change.

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  16. Alex B-

    What do you think the snakes mean. Are they just something Bradbury likes to put into his book?

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  17. Pierce- The role of fear in is to control. Fear can be used to get power. By making an individual or society fearful you control them because they are scared.Some of the many famous rulers used fear to their advantage.

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  18. Peyton~
    I think that their relationship will grow farther apart because I think now Mildred can't trust Montag because he never told her about them in the first place.

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  19. Jessica-
    I think that the bombers help to symbolize how unstable society is. I think that Bradbury references it often to reinforce how unstable society is.

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  20. What makes one form of media better than another? could everything we love just be rationalized away? "oh, its offensive, its got to go." couldn't the same be said of every single story ever?

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  21. Peyton- I think that the books are going to bring them further apart because before Mildred knew about them she really didn't want anything to do with Montag, and now she just seems so frustrated with him all the time, and more interested in her "family" in the walls.

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  22. On page 73, Montag just vents to Mildred about everything and the author doesn't mention her having any sort of reaction. Why is that?

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  23. Jessica K- I think the bombers in this book represent that the world isn't as perfect as it seems. It doesn't seem like their is much violence and most people obey the laws. The bombers are probably to show that there is conflict and this world isn't perfect.

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  24. Alex, Faber is an old english professor that he met in the park.

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  25. Montag keeps talking about Clarisse and how she was different from everyone else plus he keeps thinking about her. What is going to happen between Clarisse and Montag? since the last blog everyone thought she was still alive.

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  26. Peyton
    I think that it will bring them closer together because it is something that they are both involved in unlike mildred's tv and Montag's job.

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  27. 0n page 72, why didn't the door voice warn Montag and Mildred that someone was at the door? Are Montag and Mildred really safe in the privacy of their house?

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  28. Drew:

    I think that Mildred could have been jealous of Clarisse because she might have found out that Clarisse and Montag were really good friends, and they had a better relationship than she and Montag.

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  29. Drew- i think that she just does not want to talk about Clarisse because montag talks about how he had a connection with her.

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  30. Krysta- Thats a good point, but if they both like reading books it gives them something in common, so do you think she will forgive him?

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  31. Drew-
    I think that the Mildred refuses to talk to people who are dead because they have no "color" and she likes to talk to her television family, which has a lot of "color".

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  32. Alex-
    Faber is a man that Montag meet in a park a long time ago. Faber has books in his house and that is why Montag thought he could go to him for help since Faber would understand why Montag wants to read more than anyone else would.

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  33. Why do you think Montag would risk so much just so he could get a copy of the Bible?

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  34. Pierce-

    fear is how the government tries to keep people from reading books. They show what will happen if you do read a book so the idea is to have people be so afraid that their house will be burned down they will not read.

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  35. Peyton- I think that the relationship between Mildrid and Montag could go either way. Mildrid could be happy and glad that he was honest to her and told her which could make her trust for him stronger or she could be mad that he had books and that could and probably would make them grow farther apart.

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  36. Why does Montag believe the bible he took may be the last one left?

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  37. How does one achieve happiness? Guy knew when he was being distracted by the pretty walls and flashing images that he wasn't happy. how does one know what happiness is in this world? In our world?

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  38. Jessie
    Maybe Mildred didn't know how to react because no one has ever said so much to her and she is overwhelmed.

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  39. In Fahrenheit 451, do you think the characters still influence Montag?

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  40. JamieM- on page 72, Montag says that he shut off the door thing.
    But do you think that the dog that was outside their door is possibly the fire house dog, and it is spying on them?

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  41. Jessie S.- To me the reason that Mildred doesn't show much emotion or react. Is because none of what is happening has anything to do with her real life(her t.v. life). Her t.v. family is so much more interesting than what is happening with Montag that she just cannot interest herself.

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  42. Alex B~
    Yes in the end I do think she will forgive him if he doesn't keep bringing it up because she is just one of those people that forgets the bad things that happen in her life.

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  43. Jessie-
    Bradbury might not show any reaction from Mildred to show that she doesn't see anything wrong with their society. Also when Montag showed her the books he had hidden in the air vent she protested, but it didn't change his opinion so this could be a similar situation.

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  44. Krysta- i think he would risk so much because after getting a taste of books that now he wants to know more and what better book to learn about the past then bible

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  45. Krista, because he believes in the last one left.

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  46. Krysta,
    I think he risks so much because reading gives him some sort of adrenaline rush. It's as if reading is like a drug for him because it seems when he's on the subway he kind of starts going crazy and I think it's because of the fear and the rush of having a book with him in public.

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  47. Drew- He may believe it is the last one left because he has burned soo many that there are probably none left.

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  48. Drew-
    I believe that Montag may think that the bible that he has is the only one left because they have possibly burned all the other ones already.

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  49. Krysta,
    I don't know if I'm right or not so don't quote me, but I think that Montag wanted the copy of the Bible because he seemed like he wanted to read it, but he also doesn't want to put Mildred in danger so maybe he was trying to get the next copy so he could burn one and keep the other. But I was also confused.

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  50. Krysta-
    I think Montag risked so much because he realized that he wanted to find something worth living for.

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  51. Drew:

    I think that Montag thinks that the bible he took is the last one left because the other bibles were most likely burned, and the one he took was "protected" from the fire.

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  52. Jessica K-
    I also agree with Jenny, I think that the bombers represent an unstable society. Montag also is frustrated with the bombing because he thinks that his society is ignoring other parts of the world. I think that Montag wants to read the books because they might help his society help other parts of the world.

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  53. Krysta-
    I think maybe he he tried so hard to get a copy of the Bible because it tells the story of what the world was at that time. He probably just wanted to know what the world used to be like, and how they are really supposed to be living.

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  54. On page 79 when they are talking about the lilies what are they referring to and why does he keep saying shut up?

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  55. On page 77, Montag says, "The night I kicked the pill bottle in the dark, like kicking a buried mine." Why would he compare the night that Mildred tried to commit suicide to reading books?

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  56. When montag is talking about being in the subway is that really happening or is it all a dream?

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  57. Drew-
    I think that Montag thinks it's the last one left because he has heard rumors that is and because the list of books left in the firehouse says there aren't any left.

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  58. Is Montag in a rush to extract information from Faber before he is investigated or has his books burned?

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  59. So on page 75 Montag says "I'm not angry" and he was surprised. Was this before or after he met Clarisse, I'm so confused. Because if it was before does that show that he is different from the other firefighters, or if it was after, then do you think that's due from Clarisse?

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  60. Jessie:

    I think he compared the suicide to reading books because they are both dangerous, and they threaten people's lives.

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  61. FLynne- I don't think it is really happening because if it was people just wouldn't sit there and not care if he was reading a book.

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  62. Hydroblitz- There are many ways one can achieve "happiness" like finding someone who you love or doing something that you love but i believe true happiness comes when you accept yourself for who you are and love who you are, have an open mind and only set out to please yourself and accomplish your own goals. Yes it is nice to please somebody else but if doing something that would please them would make you unhappy than is it really better for your wellbeing?

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  63. Peyton~
    We can't really know what is going to happen with the relationship between Clarisse and Montag because from what we know Clarisse is dead.

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  64. jessie s-

    i think committing suicide is connected to reading books because by reading books in this society it is like commiting suicide to read because the fire fighters will burn your house.

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  65. Peyton- That happened when he was talking to the professor (After he met Clairisse), and I think he probably said that because he realized that he didn't want to burn the books that the professor might have had.

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  66. Garett
    I think that Montag really wants to speak to Faber about this possibly because Faber has books of his own.

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  67. Jessie-
    I think he compares the two nights because both of those nights he discovered something about himself. The night Mildred tried to kill himself Montag realized how unhappy he really was, that was also the night he meet Clarisse. Montag is also hoping to find answers about himself from reading books.

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  68. Jessie- i think that he think the are both punished on the same level, with suicide you die and leave every one behind and with reading the books in this you are either burned to death and still leave people behind or you get banned from everyone.

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  69. Flynne-
    I also was confused on this part. Montag seemed very nervous and guilty when he was in the subway. Maybe he was envisioning all that happened because wouldn't people report him by the way he was acting?

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  70. Peyton-
    I think this is before he meet Clarisse. That is a good point though, I'm not sure why he wasn't angry since he hadn't really changed before meeting her.

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  71. Jessie~
    I think that he would compare those two events because I think to him those two things are equally as bad.

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  72. Will Faber help Montag out with his plan?

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  73. Jessie
    maybe he says that because it was such a sudden shock to him and gave him an immediate feeling that he sees as being similar to stepping on a mine.

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  74. Flynne,
    I agree! Montag definitely figured something out about himself during both events even though they were both negative.

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  75. The one reason why books are still relevant is exactly why some think they aren't. they leave out details, the entire story takes place in your minds eye. the characters look and spek how you want, you see it differently than everyone else.

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  76. I was sick today.

    While reading these pages, i had some questions, when i was reading i was still wondering is Clarisse really dead? I almost think that is she not and she is going to come back and have a thing with Montag. And i also think that Montag is almost mad with everyone? and he wants to read the books, because he thinks that they might have value and contribute to his society.

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